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fascism arose in Germany in 30ies, But Russicism has eclipsed in
Russia today after the passage of a century of fascists. The
genocide of the Chechen nation in Ichkeria has spread among
peoples of Northern Caucasus, also among Caucasians, and the
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due to technical reasons talking point wasn’t recently renewed
Administator
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31.05.2001
Theme: Taliban Way To Go.
This is just a quick piece for your consideration - in the event
that our fundamentalist censors - sorry, sorry - freedom
fighters! - ever post it. January 2001. Supreme leader of the
Taliban declared that anyone converting to Christianity would be
executed. So long, Christianity! March 2001. The Taliban proudly
set about the destruction of two enormous Buddhas, 2-5 century
AD. So long, Buddihsm! May 2001. The Taliban ordered all Hindus
and Sikhs in Afganistan (~1,700) to wear a badge or lable to
distinguish them from Muslims. For the own protection, of course.
So long, Hinduism! At this point, there are no major religions
left yet to be insulted by the "Islamic sudents" that
run the poor ravaged country. Where do they go from there? Make
your own conclusions, but here are some parallels: The Nazis
were not content with an edict that all Jews should wear the
Star of David. The rest is history of slaughter. Government in
pre-genocide Rwanda was not content with symbols of in documents
indicating that the bearer was either a Hutu or a Tutsi. The
rest is history of slaugther. The bottom line is we are looking
at yet another example of violet extremism, intolerant to
everything and everyone that are not like them. Whichever way
they decide to dress up their "ideas", it's all the
same. They are using the same ages old smoke screen - yell
"wolf, wolf", while quetly slaughtering the sheep in
the back yard. It will continue to become more violent the more
isolated it gets. Taliban is accused of supporting the Chechen
"freedom fighters", hence Russia's fury. China
dislikes the Taliban. The US hates them for sheltering Isama Bin
Laden. Only Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and UAE recognise their
regime. Sounds familiar?
Capitalist, USA
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31.05.2001
Theme: Submit To The Will Of God For Your Salvation.
Once Again..the 'whatever' that comes out of your mouth is
completely remarkable Mr.Kreamer.. First.The what you labelled
the Arad invasion of North Africa etc etc was not an invasion
but a liberation.If you actually delve into history books or
even ask scholars on this subject the will tell you that the
inhabitants of these lands saw the openings of Islam as a
liberation from the dark and willfully accepted.For instance the
liberation of Al-Quds(Jerusalem) was a liberation even the head
of the church offered the Caliph at the time a chance to prey in
the their church..etc etc.Even in their scriptures the
christians new that they would be liberated by a man who would
arrive with 13 patches on his clothes etc etc..its quite a
famous story just ask members of the church in Jerusalem and
they will tell you. Secondly .All these lands were at the time
occupied by the Great Persian empire and the Byzantium
empire...and they were LIBERATED by a tiny army from Arabia (typical
Muslim history always a small Muslim group defeats a Large Evil
Army..).There were no murders,mass deportations etc etc..even at
the time the Pope complained at how could the Muslims in Spain
tolerate the Christians and Jews..they ofcourse considered
tolerance and respect for others a weakness..(how little things
have changed in the west..)and hence to brighten the world with
western TOLORENCE they organized the crusades etc etc..and we
all know about that don't we Mr Kreamer. Thirdly and most
importantly religion is a private matter ofcourse...and as we
all know all religions are man made...after all where is their
proof.While on the other hand Islam is not a religion it is an
Ideaology a total way of life that covers every aspect of Life ,bussiness
etc etc..(Just by the way if you don't consider Islam the truth
then read the KORAN init God tell us many things about the world(s)
life etc etc that we would have never known and some of which
only now we are able to prove with the latest advances in
science etc etc...I could go on but i wouldn't want to frustrate
you.) So all Muslims are one so if you attack muslims in the
west there will be muslims in the east to defend them and if you
attack muslims in the NORTH there will be muslims in the south
ready to die for their people!! Please Mr Kreamer open your mind
and don't waste your life don't be oblivious to the truth .
After all if you don't agree with Chechnyas history or think
that Islam is evil or think we are all fanatics who are arabs or
maybe afghans(or maybe White, Yellow haired, Blue eyed
europeans..don't you know how fast Islam is spreading in the
west..?) then why do you spend so much time looking up
www.kavkaz.org after all you don't agree with our lies and
Fanaticism DO YOU??;-)
P.S. you said you studied history well tell me why do the
Westerners say it was William Harvey who found out about the
blood circulation when it was Ibn Nafis four hundrend years
earlier..is that the same libary you go to or is yours a
differnt one?
Human
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31.05.2001
Theme: Chechnya- state since 6000 years?
With interest I took notice that some fellow editors in
this circle have the opinion that I am not aware of history.
Dear guys- I studied history and I am fully aware about what has
happened in the Caucasus. Can anybody tell me some details about
the 6000 years lasting history of Chechnya? So far no books-
even no Islamic books- are telling something about such a long
Chechnyan tradition. These are facts- everything else is just
fantasy sponsored by religious fanatism, which I definitely
detest ! Please be reasonable and let us talk about facts, but
not about lies ! It is a fact that Chechnya wants to be
political independent- o.k. -but what has the legal claim of
political independence to do with religious fanatism, especially
practised by Non-Chechenyans in this forum as t.e. people from
Pakistan and Arab countries etc.? As long as some of my fellow-
editors are not able to differ between political claims and
religion there will be no substantial progress within ! this
talking point! Religion is a totally private matter, and
politics is peopleґs task ! Keep this in mind when arguing!
As long as some fanatics who constantly misuse religion for
political aims are not accepting that this is completely wrong
and makes people murder innocents there will be no basis of
reasonable understanding. A last word to Russian imperialsm and
fascism, which indeed has been existing so far: can one of my
fellow Arab and Mujahedeen writers tell me what the brutal
conquer of North Africa, Spain, Egypt, Iran, Pakistan etc.
between the 7th and 12 th century was? It was nothing else but
the same, what Russians practised during the last century in the
Caucasian region- absolutely the same kind of imperialism!
Martin Kraemer,
Austria
E-mail: martin@kraemer.as
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30.05.2001
Theme: Land of Jihad.
Dear Mujahiddin Brothers, I make dua for your continous
victories against the evil West and the Jews. When Victory do
come from Allah, I pray that you will not abnadon Jihad, but
instead continue Jihad and make Chechnya into a base for
launching Jihad against the Western Powers and especially the
Jews. May Allah grants you His Mercy and Blessings, and may with
each coming days the body bags of the Russian dogs and swines
increase. Allahu Akbar.
Abu Sumayyah, Yemen
E-mail:abu_sumayyah@lycos.com
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30.05.2001
Theme: Land of Jihad.
Dear Mujahiddin Brothers, I make dua for your continous
victories against the evil West and the Jews. When Victory do
come from Allah, I pray that you will not abnadon Jihad, but
instead continue Jihad and make Chechnya into a base for
launching Jihad against the Western Powers and especially the
Jews. May Allah grants you His Mercy and Blessings, and may with
each coming days the body bags of the Russian dogs and swines
increase. Allahu Akbar.
Abu Sumayyah, Yemen
E-mail:abu_sumayyah@lycos.com
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29.05.2001
Theme: DREAMS OF MUJAHIDEEN.
DEAR MUJAHIDEEN ASLAMUALIKUM! ILOVE ALL MUJAHIDEEN IN THE
WORLD.MAY ALLAH HELP THE RIGHTEENS MUJAHIDEEN OF ISLAM SUCCEED
IN THIS WAR AGAINST HUMANITY. AMIN SUMO AMIN. KHUDA KHFIZ.
javed ahmad khan, pakistan
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29.05.2001
Ilove all mujahideen.May ALLAH help the righteens mujahideen
succeed in this war against humanity. Amin ya Rabilallmin.
javed ahmad khan, pakistan
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29.05.2001
Theme: russia vs chechen people.
i just want to say that this war started in WW2 even before that
when the chechen people made peace with the nazi will the rest
of the world was getting invaded by the nazis. all this muslim
talk is bullshit by non-chehcens if you love allah then go to
chechnia and fight with your people. i respect the way the
chechen fighters fight and have lots of bolls with the help of
allah. i am from ossetia we have both muslim people and
christians and we get along fine. Religion war is bullshit. we
war in war with ingushetia because they invaded as for land and
they got there asses beat. i dont belive in war and i think that
russia need a beating from all kavkaz people put together. i
also think that blowing up markets and killing inosent people is
wrong by the chechens. and them they denie it. they blow up shit
in ossetia al the time and kidnape people al the time this my
friend is bullshit.
George, ossetia
E-mail: ldk6@yahoo.com
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28.05.2001
Theme: kavkaz.org-political correctness?
I wish the administration of kavkaz.org would overthink the
existance of the part "Their habits",because its
content is simply antidemocratic and fashistic and could not be
published on a news-page of a country,which would like to get
more support from the European Union. You are generalizing all
russians and make the reader to get to point of considering all
russians drinking liters of vodka each day,killing their babies
and parents and performing necrophilia. That's just stupid and
unexceptable for a democratic,open-minded individual! By the
way,not only russian people, but also Westeners are criticized
in "Their habits"(drunken Boris Bekker and british
female students,working as whores). By that you make also a
klichee of a "bad western guy". To make it clear-i'm
personally against the war and know,that russians are performing
horrible athrocities against the civil population. But your,dear
administration of kavkaz.org are journalists,and you have to
respect rules of reporting as in every civil society. I wish you
all the best and the war to be stoped soon.
Walter, Austria
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28.05.2001
Theme: Cechnya- what is this?
Mr. Kraemer, it is pity but you absolutely don't know Chechenian
history and history of Caucassian wars. Chechenians (nokh-cho)
live in Caucassus for 6000 years, it is one of the oldest nation
in this region. Russians came to Caucassus (and occupied it with
a loat of blood and atrocity) only in 18-19 centuries (i.e. only
abt. 200 years ago). Baltis countries were occupied by Russia in
18th century but these countries are free and they expiled
Ruassian agressors without any permision fropm their side. The
same will be for Chechnya!Chechnya will be free like Estonia,
Latvia and Lithuania and like your country (Austria) which was
occipied in 1938 by Nazist Gernmany and declared by Hitler as a
part of Germany but in 6 years Austria became free. Little and
poor Afganistan has bitten mighty Russian scoundrels and now
this country is free and the same will be for Chechnya!
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27.05.2001
Theme: HISTORY LESSON MR.KREEMER.
IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT YOUR HISTORY BOOK YOU WILL FIND THAT
RUSSIA INVADED CHECHENYA IN THE THE LAST CENTURY AND HAS
PERSISTENTLY BEEN COMMITING CRIMES THERE UNTIL THIS DAY(NOT TO
MENTION OTHER PLACES). SAYING CHECHENYA IS PART OF RUSSIA HAS
ABOUT AS MUCH CREDIBILITY AS AGREEING WITH THE ZIONIST
OCCUPATION OF PALESTINE,THE EUROPEAN CONTINUED OCCUPATION OF THE
SO-CALLED AMERICAS,THE PHILIPINE OCCUPATION OF MINDANO(WHICH WAS
KNOWN AS SERIWAK),AUSTRALIA...ETC ETC..ALL OF THE ABOVE AND MANY
MORE ARE LANDS THAT HAVE BEEN INVADED BY TOTALY FORIGEN ARMIES
WHO WERE NEVER THERE OR HAVE ANY RIGHT ON THESE LANDS.(ANYWAY
RUSSIA IS A EMPIRE BASED ON RUSSIAN EXPANSION...IF YOU LOOK
CLOSELY 'RUSSIA' IS MADE UP OF A PATCH WORK OF COUNTRIES THAT
WERE INVADED!! ) PLEASE MR.KREEMER GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT,THE
LAST THING THIS WORLD NEEDS IS ANOTHER SHEEP NODDING TO FASCIST
EXPANSION!
HUMAN
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27.05.2001
To: Martin Kraemer.
The 1st thing you should do is to read the history then you have
right to say what you want. Chechenya was an independent country
before. It's Russia that invaded the country since "Tsar"
time. By, the way we muslim don't give a care about what you all
people say, as we liberate all of our countries we will deal
with those who supported the enemy against us. Bosnia, Kosova,
Philiphines, Palestein, Chechnya won't be forgotten just like
that..nose with nose.. eyes with eyes..blood with blood.. Peace
An-Jaloot
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27.05.2001
Theme: russia killing its poor young.
The poor, the disenfranchized, the disconnected and those
who cannot buy their own way out of the military draft, are the
ones who pay with their lives so the old men in Moscow can
fulfill their polical, territorial and economic ambitions.
The sons and daughters of the rich, famous and well-connected go
to school in Germany, France, Switzerland and live the
playboy-playgirls life, while the poor, young conscripts in the
Russian Army and other services are beaten, starved and killed
by their superiors and cadres who are out of control. And if
these new recruits don't die while in training, the Chechen
rebels will kill them when they go to Chechnya. A young, green
18 year new soldier cannot match the will, the experience,
bravery and cunning or an experienced mujahadeen warrior. The
mujahadeen has a true motive to fight, the salvation of his
country, his family and his own life--and the salvation of his
muslim beliefs, while the Russian soldier is fighting because if
he doesn't he might get murdered by his superiors. The
mujahadeen are volunteers who are ready to die for their
country. And history has shown, a big army is no match for small
bands of guerrilla fighters with a good cause. Sooner or later
the bleeding being inflicted on the big army has to stop. Just
look at Algeria, Viet Nam, Afghanistan. The rebels won. God save
the Chechen people from extermination. I hope the world will
wake up and see the crime against humanity being perpetrated by
the Russian leadership of Mr. Putin and his greedy, heartless
lackies, on Chechen mothers, old people, children, the sick and
weary. Sadly, though, the world's powers have turned a blind eye
on poor Chechnya, because they have bought Russia's sales job
that they are fighting religious extremism, feeding the fear
Westerners feel for Islam. I am a Christian who feels the pain
of Muslims in Chechnya. God save them.
onewhocares, US
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27.05.2001
Theme:
Cechnya- what is this?
Some of my fellow- editors on this page compare Afghanistan
with Chechnya. I think that this is completely wrong.
Afghanistan was an independent state having been invaded by a
Foreign power. Chechnya is a part of Russian territory with some
inhabitants who want to be independent from Russia. You cannot
claim that Russia invaded Chechnya. This is definitely not true
! Chechnya wanted to be somehow politically but not economically
independent from Russia. It failed, because Russia did not
accept the single rule of Johar Dudaev. Therefore it sent troops
to Grozny to defend its sovereignity. Every other state would
have done the same- this is a fact of law and has always
happened in history ! Chechnya can only be independent, if
Russia and the rest of the world agree to such a step. So far-
this has not yet happened.
Martin Kraemer, Austria
E-mail: martin@kraemer.as
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26.05.2001
Theme: Timing.
I give it before the end of the year(inshaAllah)that the
invaders will be pouring out of Chechnya,wether Putin and
Company like it or not , because the invaders army have noticed
that Chechnya is a Death sentence for them. And another 2yrs
after that that the Russian Empire is dead.What do u think?
Human
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25.05.2001
Theme: Freedom.
I read some books about Kavkaz and I often read internet pages
about Chechen Republik.In my opinion Chechen Republic should be
an independent country and russian army should leave this place.
I wish people from Kavkaz everything good and believe that one
day in this region will be peace and justice.
Christopher, Poland
E-mail: mino77@poczta.onet.pl
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21.05.2001
Theme: Matyred is what they Up to!
TO: KA50!
You think when a mujahideen comander died the jihad will stop?
you are wrong..it's not too much to say that, even if Khattab
and Basavey died the jihad will be continued as usual..most of
mujahideen are the best people among muslims..almost all of them
can be considered as comanders..Khattab died..other people will
replace him instantly..Btw, I pray to Allah that Khattab and
Basayev will be shahid oneday..and I'm really sure they pray the
same too.. There was a muslim general Khalid Al-Walid..he fought
in many battles..he was the guy who comanded the battle against
200,000 roman armies..roman was totally eliminated with only
small number of muslims ..he did cry before his death...because
he died on bed not in the war..Indeed, most of mujahideens do
pray to be shahid..even me..my friends and my brother.. because
matyr is the highest level in worshiping God in
islam..therefore..there is not a problem for these comander to
die..we have tons of other people to replace them and most of
the enemy don't know and understand it.. Peace
Slave of Allah, Allah's Land
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21.05.2001
Theme: Stupid war.
Putin is beginning to make good on his promise. Each day or week
we read of another Commander dead or captured. The Cemetaries
are a forest of Poles with crecent and star. The people of Argun
informed the Russians of the location of the Mujhadeen, this led
to a bloody massacre of fighters. Subsequently I read the
Chechens found the informers and killed them too. All in all
there are fewer chechens breathing each day. Many ordinary
chechens are beginning to help the Russians, this is from the
chechen press reports of the increasing number of killed
traitors. Basayev has had two horses killed under him and a foot
blown off. All in all this war does not look like a victory for
the Bandits. I wondr the hardness of the heart of Maskadov, How
can he continue to fight and watch the destruction of the
country and the people and still fight? It is sensless.
Ka50, USA
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19.05.2001
Theme: Kavkaz.org
It very strange that only after 1.5 year of war only now are the
Kavkaz.org team starting to transelate the news and resently
opening this "talking point" why didnt you done this
before? And why dont the kavkaz.org site include Moldavi U.
articles you done this before. Best Regards
Rafael Trzaskowski, Sweden
E-mail: Trzaskowski@hotmail.com
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17.05.2001
I would like to share my help for MUJAAHIDINEEN by preying ALLAH
to give them bothKUWWA MAADDIYYA and MA'NAVIYYAH AAMIN.
zacky, sri lanka
E-mail: manazy@yahoo.com
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17.05.2001
I pray for the Mujjahideen for their fight against the infidels. The Russians
have not learnt their lesson from Afghanistan. This is the war they will not win.
Allah will always help the muslims. Allahuakbar
Abu Syuhada, Malaysia
E-mail: abu_syuhada@hotmail.com
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17.05.2001
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem...May Allah send Barakah into the bullets of the
Mujahideen and fill their hearts with courage. It is hard to imagine all their
hardships but take any hardship and add true Iman, it will become something
sweet... I hope all the muslims in the world aren't forgetting our brothers and
sisters in Sheshan, what we at least have to do is remebering them in our dua's.
And to all you non-muslims, know that all the tanks and artillery in the world
wouldn't stop our hearts from believing and striving in Allahs cause. You might
beat us tecnically but never spiritually. Besides this I hope you're thinking of
the hereafter, what will happen? Would anyone sacrife their life for a country
not knowing if it would truly benefit them? I can't understand the russian
soldiers, for what are they fighting? Money, honor, a country? Could any of
these reasons make you feel comfortable in your heart when your firing a gun? Or
not at least, how does it feel befo! re God? Constantly I'm thinking of these
questions. In the end we'll all see, truth will prevail, al Hamdulillah!
abo abdus Samad, Sweden
E-mail: Mujahid2000@hotmail.com
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16.05.2001
Chechen mujahideen reject US offer By Special Correspondent GROZNY: The US
government has offered a conditional supply of aid to the Chechen mujahideen.
Chechen President Arsalan Miskadov has rejected the offer. Highly-placed sources
said that America made an offer to help and support Chechen mujahideen in their
ongoing war against Russia, on the condition that they consider adopting the
western democratic system in the country and do not allow their land to become a
center of Islamic revolutionary movements in case of winning independence. In a
meeting with the Chechen foreign minister, the US officials also hinted at
encouraging a move by the Chechen mujahideen to provide military facilities to
Chinese Muslims seeking independence of Sinkiang Province. President Arsalan
Miskadov called a cabinet meeting to deliberate upon the offer. The cabinet
unanimously rejected the offer after thorough consultation.
Slave of Allah, Allah's land
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16.05.2001
It is so pathetic to read the Russian guys comments on the Jihad in Chenchenya.
He makes it sound as if the Russian army does not do all the brutalities he
enlists. Allah Almighty is with the Mujahideen and He will help them through
sources unexpected. Land hungry, greedy Russians are not satisfied with what
they have and like its predecessor the Soviet Union, Russia will break up into
tiny fragments soon Incha Allah. May Allah help the righteous Mujahideen succeed
in this war against humanity... Amen
Muslim, USA
E-mail: muslim@islam.com
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16.05.2001
Every one is sad for those corpses and what is being done to them, remember the
famous muslim scholar in mecca before he got killed by the Hajjaj, he told his
mother" mom, i'm affraid to go fight that if i die, they will do something
with my body" and his mother told him: "son, what harm comes to a
sheep when it's slaughtered ? " meaning that what ever they do with your
body is irrilavent if you get shahada, so we shouldn't be sad at what those
kuffar do at all ? Islam will prevail insha'allah, it's only a matter of time,
remember what Allah said, with prayer and PATIENCE, you will win, prayer we make
alot, what about patience ? we must be patient....
abu bakr, Palestine
E-mail: islam@whatisislam.com
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